cosmic rays Did the historic solar minimum cause the pandemic?

[Christopher S.]

Can we please separate the current discussion on this topic into another post? I don't want to keep bumping this thread with off-topic replies, personally.

[Ron NL]

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@VoltarDark  ..you asked for size of Covid19 ?  ..its most certainly around 120 nm 

so the wavelength that influences it the most will be 120 nm also  (max energy transfer @ resonance)  

This wavelength is not completely filtered by the ozone-layer ...  i estimate at times still 3 to 7 % reaches the earth 

and that is enough to kill viruses ... with radiation its about the  Dose ... a little bit for a long time is also a lot of dose  

 

Right now its way less then those 3 % to 7 % ...  because of minimal solar-activity ... so way less virus is killed. 

 

Problem -1 ... Right now no-one measures levels of UVC that reach earth-surface.

Problem-2 .... No-one cares to measure the exact size of covid19 (no publications) 

Problem-2 ... Everyone uses "'total irradiance" ... and that does not even include UVC !    

 

As a radio-engineer and researcher (50 years experience)  .. i immidiatly grasped this whole wavelength-stuff 

unfortunately scientists (medics /virologists)  that should research this ... have no clues about this becuase they are no radiation experts

so they have to copy and paste that part from others ...without researching it themselves  ("yeah lets not include UVC ... they say its filtered out")

ie: some-one a long time ago said UVC is 100% filtered by the ozone-layer ... and everyone simply copies that.

science is good but there's a lot wrong with it also.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Source:   https://viralzone.expasy.org/5216 

Edited May 22, 2020 by Ron NL

[Christopher S.]

Viruses do not live exposed in hostile environments. They multiply within organisms which shield them from things that would kill them. There is also something called "indoors" which would shield them from UV rays. Moreover, exposure to the broad range of elements without a host would render the virus innate and dead within a matter of minutes, at most. If UV rays were the answer to destroying the virus, then all an infected person would need to do is stand outside in the sunlight for a little while and viola, cured. That's obviously not the case.

For an "engineer" speaking down at everyone, you have a very murky understanding of how such simple things work.

Edited May 22, 2020 by Christopher S.

[Ron NL]

@Christopher S.   

 

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would render the virus innate and dead within a matter of minutes

1) You are outdated ... it was already established by various publications

that virus can survive up to 9 days depending on the surface it is on.

on a surface means outside a host ... verify that ... before you  state wrong assumptions   

 

2) Virus do get killed by UV ...specifically UVC ...this is a long known fact.

so yes that is one of  the answers to destroy virus. 

Yes there is a relation between UV (irradiance from the sun) and the survival of Virus

its is recently being described in publications ..one of those was posted in this forum just 2 days ago.

 

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then all an infected person would need to do is stand outside in the sunlight for a little while

 

 

3)  Ofcourse not ... UV will not affect virus that is already inside the body .. i did not say that !

since ofcourse UV does not penetrate the body.

But there is a lot of virus outside ... not hosted by anything these live in the air or surfaces

those will be killed by enough levels of UV.  (dose)

Dont under-estimate the quantities of virus that live outside ... the virus has mutated 

and adapted itself to survive outside ... it can only do that because it indeed has lived outside already

Its Darwin ..."survival of the fittest" 

In addition ..the current low solar-activity ...results in lower levels of UV(C) 

it helps the virus to survive (outside) longer then it would at higher levels of UV(C)

 

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For an "engineer" speaking down at everyone, you have a very murky understanding of how such simple things work.

 

4) I have explained it again ... and there's nothing murky about it

Edited May 22, 2020 by Ron NL

[VoltarDark]

Very good answer  @Ron NL. 

Their are also plenty of studies about vitamine D lack being a factor of increased morbidity with Covid19.

So Sun= Vit. D

«The major natural source of the vitamin is synthesis of cholecalciferol in the lower layers of skin epidermis through a chemical reaction that is dependent on sun exposure (specifically UVB radiation)» -Wikipedia.

That 2 factors related to UV. and then maybe also to the Sun minimum.

Many more to find for sure.

 

[Ron NL]

@VoltarDark   

 

Yes you can add that as another effect that influences the nr of covid19 (infections/cases)

So we have (at least) 2 effects that work together (against us) 

(1) Less UV-radiation so less virus is killed (UVC)
(2) Less vitamine-D produced ..so our immunity is lower (UVB) 

In other words ...If both UVC and UVB are lower ...there will be even more covid19 cases  compared to one of the effects alone.

You could more or less add them together ..to understand that the effect doubles or at least  does have a stronger effect as you might think. 

This was not studied  but both the individual facts (1 & 2) were ...someone should do research involving these both at the same time 

I think we can assume that  UVB follows the same curve as UVC  ... since all wavelengths available at sda-nasa follow the same curve 

It is also established that ..that UVB-levels follow the summer/winter curve

 

I myself can see the UVC variations from the sdo-nasa pics & videos

I dont see the UVB from them cause they dont supply that ... so the only thing available to me is the reports on "total irradiance"

but those measurements suck ...since they are not really standardized ...and receive a mess of all wavelengths mixed together

and as i have found most of these dont even include the full spectrum. .. so a specific daily UVB measurement is needed. 

 

Best: we should measure full spectrum (no gaps) that reaches the earth ... to be fully able to study the sun's effect on life on earth.  

 

 

 

 

Edited May 22, 2020 by Ron NL

[VoltarDark]

I just hope that the matter get more attention.

Seasonality in pandemic is a well known fact. The cause of the seasonality should be involved here. The amplitude of the «variation» is what should matter the must.

Is that low reached or when was it reached ? where on earth is/was the level reach ?

[Ron NL]

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Is that low reached or when was it reached ? where on earth is/was the level reach ?

 

The low you can see from the solar-cycle graphs you find everywhere .. it were the months Dec to March ...

we are at least 1 month over the lowest point ... but its going slowly ..still see 2 polarisations ...means its still switching from one to the next cycle.

Not shure if different polarisations matter for levels or effects of UV ... dont think so since they both radiate the same UV-light.

[Aeon]

It will take at least another year, probably longer, before the end of the solar minimum.
It is enough to see how COVID19 will behave before and after.
I'm not sure we're still at the lowest point, but that's just my personal guess.

[Ron NL]

My point is that ... the specialists are not doing their job.

 

1) No-one has measured the size of covid19 yet  (to determine its sensitive wavelength) 

2) No-one is currently measuring levels of UVC that reach the earth ...its only assumed on old outdated info

3) No-one is measuring the full spectrum that reaches the earth.... i have not even found old measurements.

 

And that is the end of the story ... as long as that is not done ...we are lost and just guessing 

so i try to find some indications myself ...which is very difficult

Even with one foot in the grave ...those that could do this are not interested,if we not solve this ...you can blame it on them. 

 

Edited May 24, 2020 by Ron NL

[Jesterface23]

@Ron NL

I remembered we have a UV index forecasts in the US and went to do some searching and found something different. This is on the FDA's website,

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UVA rays have the longest wavelengths, followed by UVB, and UVC rays which have the shortest wavelengths. While UVA and UVB rays are transmitted through the atmosphere, all UVC and some UVB rays are absorbed by the Earth’s ozone layer. So, most of the UV rays you come in contact with are UVA with a small amount of UVB.

https://www.fda.gov/radiation-emitting-products/tanning/ultraviolet-uv-radiation

[Ron NL]

@Jesterface23

It's NOT something different ..its exactly what i'm saying !   

They say "All UVC is filtered by the atmosphere""

... but dont provide a link to a solid sientific research where they have this from

And that is what they all do (copy & paste).  

 

Show me a real (recent) scientific research (peer-to-peer reviewed)  where they say the same

and where they also show how it was measured ....and no not some handwritten observation from 100 years old  

 

 

[Jesterface23]

@Ron NL

This might help to find data points somewhere. Google UV Measurement Device and it should be easy to guess what they do lol.

[Aeon]

Il 3/8/2020 alle 00:40, Aeon disse:

https://urbancoldspots.blogspot.com/2019/10/pandemia-globale.html

Frankly, I believe that the issue of UV rays has seasonal limits.
I think going back to discussing the role of neutrons and other physical particles on viruses and bacteria as in the original thread topic is more concrete.

Already mentioned?

https://thescipub.com/abstract/10.3844/ajidsp.2005.116.123

What I find interesting is that the role of neutrons is always present in different studies linking space radiation to pandemics.

[Ron NL]

Earth System Laboratory (Govt) 

they suck ! 

They present UV-data as plots ...but nothing works (at least i can get a single plot to work) 

https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/grad/neubrew/ProductDisplays.jsp  

 

See also a long list of UV-measurement equipment they and affiliated stations use ... which seem to suck also

temperature-problems ..calibration-problems  and they dont go lower then 280 nanometers ... only 1 goes down till 250 nm 

anything below that is simply ignored

https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/grad/neubrew/Publications.jsp#brewer  

 

Its like i already knew ...no-one in the whole world measures the UVC band  that is of biological importance for us (280 - 10 nm)  

they are a bunch of idiots ...hobbyists that spend taxpayers money to play with equipment ..they just dont grab it.  

 

In addition i have spend 5 months 24/7 internet research ...and i have not been able to find 1 single (original) publication where they

describe how they measured that UVC is indeed filtered by the ozone-layer ! ... let alone a recent one,

not even a referral to where they have this knowledge  ... they all simply assume it cause someone said that 100 years ago.  

 

 

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Edited May 30, 2020 by Ron NL

[Aeon]

Fai delle analisi interessanti ma penso che lamentarci ci aiuti poco. I believe that quantifying such values is almost impossible.

Edited June 2, 2020 by Aeon

[VoltarDark]

There is a debate about the virus losing potency but without any known mutation causing it.

What is causing this ? The summer ? If it is as related to uvs as we think it is, then this fall will be bad.  Uvs will get lower til the 23 December 2020 and it is also the when the earth is the furthest from the sun in its orbit.  Light is related square of distance...

So i understand that the virus was already declining when it hit us, but then this time it will be an apex.

Better be ready then sorry.

[Ron NL]

@VoltarDark 

 

Yes ... the Summer (UV) is (at least) a part of the virus disappearing. 

Check out these yearly death numbers (all causes) .

you can clearly see a  High in every Winter  vs   Low in every Summer. (all countries in Europe)  

HERE:   https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps   (check many graphs, per country, per age ...etc)

 

 

This shows what i call the  "Short-term effect" (1yr cycle ).

 

If (as shown above) there is a short-term effect from the Sun ... which  PRECISELY !  synchronises with (UV) intensity-levels that reach earth ......

Then there must be a  "Long-term effect" (11yr cycle) also ... which in that case follows the solar-cycle intensity-levels that reach earth. 

As a matter of fact every change (nomatter  up or down or short or long ) in solar-intensity (per wavelength) has effect on life and virus on Earth. 

Some life likes high levels of radiation ...and another type of life likes low levels.

 

It is so simple isn't it ?  ... no need to be a solar-expert ! 

 

In addition ... each life-form responds to certain (different) wavelengths ... even dead materials (elements) do ! ... Google for "Action-Spectrum"  

(Action-spectrum is a group of wavelengths that certain life or material reacts to)

This effect is used in for example in spectrum-analysis of drug-samples (absorption-spectrum) ...  there is a database of "Action-Spectra" for each drug 

the machine compares it with the sample ...if it matches  ...bingo ! 

 

 

i have read many  scientific papers where they researched this.

They radiated viruses/bacteria with different UV wavelenghts ...and measured absorption and reflection.   

they found that they all react to more then just one wavelength ... for example 4 or 9  different wavelengths. (''spectrum")

All types react to different (groups of) wavelenghts ... it depends on their sizes, or size of sensors,  or structure.

 

Interesting ... i read that life in the sea/ocean reacts mostly to 475 nanometers.

They found that water has the best "transmission"  (lowest loss) at 475 nanometer.

that wavelength will go deepest ... Wonderful how life adapts to everything !  

 

Edited June 3, 2020 by Ron NL

[VoltarDark]

A bad minimum at fall with 11 years cycle at an historical minimum (100y ?)

Well, now we know. What could we do to help others ? Before the next fall

 If we were around year 1915. nobody or nearly nobody would have detected the Covid19 «officially» in the population like «the Spanish one» until it become deadly in the following fall.

Are we ready enough?

My best regards.

 

 

[Clothcap]

1. I don't have the education of most here but I can say a few things I've turned up about the phantom CV virus.
2. It is an exosome emitted by EMR damaged cells. It is inert, it does not replicate. Rougue Chinese and American (likely Brits too) extracted bat exosomes and modified them by adding HIV inserts in the spike proteins. To get past the front door, G120 was used to hide the bat identifier. The G120 dissolves and the immune system cleans it out. The only way to get infected is by inhalation of aerosolised exosomes, likely in persistent contrails and or mini drones, perhaps in cans. Or by injection. It is not transmissible person to person. One may ask why people would go to the trouble of putting it in people. The answer is so it can be found and blamed for RF EMR poisoning aggravated by 5G operation, varying "flu" like effects according to frequency emitted and volume absorbed. Wuhan was the 1st with and has the highest density of installations, and high air pollution making people weak. N.Italy ditto, with a high density of rich elderly with latest tech.
3. All RF EMR is harmful, "flu" outbreaks coincide with expansion of electrification and upgrades. Indoors has the highest exposure due to wiring and electrical appliances so longer indoors, higher exposure higher probability of secondary illness due to the immune system being occupied cleaning up the EMR damage. The symptoms are immune system response to EMR yet are attributed to an inert exosome produced by human cells.
4. Vaccination is unbelievably profitable with no risk. Without 5G, no smart (spy) cities. The scam/hoax/psy-op has many other benefits for the evil beings behind it, (Gates, Soros, Fauci etc.)  Vaccination tagging with micro-dots, RNA editing to make us more slave like, culling oldies to rescue plundered pension corp'ns, intro of international crypto currency, imposition of a global world gov corporation, imposition of Jewish Bolshevik communism for the proles,  and so on.
5. Summary, the COVID 19 is a psy-op, the bat bug is not contagious and unable to replicate, let alone mutate. RF EMR is a killer if the immune system is compromised. Pols, pharms corps, telecoms and financiers are complicit in mass murder compounded by useless masks and being imprisoned. 18th and 19th century doctors had already linked the cause to peak solar activity. A fraud Freud said it was psychosomatic and the vaccinators have partied ever since. An attempt was made to prove the "flu" was contagious in 1933 and failed completely. No tests have been done since. (Why not? Duh.)
6. I suspect the solar driven part of the EMR being weak, pretty much all this "seasonal flu" is driven by man made electrification EMR on steroids with 4G and 5G. 5G damages oxygen and damages haemoglobin. Military radar uses 5G frequencies. Oxygen levels are down 21%.
   Firstenberg has good research data. Not available as a freebie but cheap enough that it doesn't matter. "Invisible Rainbow"
   radiationdangers.com has some good articles.
   Hope this helps with research others are doing.
   Clothcap
7. PS, the second wave will be due to the increased density of 4G upgrades and 5G plus 1000's more 5G satellites coming on line. October is speculated for the sh*t to hit the fan, EMR "flu" wise. This has to be stopped, it's illegal.

Edited June 10, 2020 by Clothcap

[Christopher S.]

20 hours ago, Clothcap said:

I suspect the solar driven part of the EMR being weak, pretty much all this "seasonal flu" is driven by man made electrification EMR on steroids with 4G and 5G. 5G damages oxygen and damages haemoglobin. Military radar uses 5G frequencies. Oxygen levels are down 21%.

I could address the other portions of your sprawling conspiracies, but this one is low hanging fruit. Do you believe, honestly, that 5G bandwidth is transmitted everywhere on the planet? You would have to believe so, as reports of COVID are coming from places that definitely don't have 5G internet/radar etc. Do you also believe that flu transmission is artificial in nature, not driven by biological function whatsoever? 

Do you have literally any credible source for your claims?

[Ron NL]

@Clothcap

 

Hello Clothcap,

I would be so happy if you would leave out the 3G, 4G, 5G part ... out of this discussion. 

Its  off-topic  ..the discussion here in this thread .. and this whole forum ... it's about Solar stuff

and in this specific thread its about:  Solar activity and a possible connection with virus-outbreak. 

 

I spend a lot of time researching and posting to this forum ... and i myself am trying to keep it 

pure scientific ... based on already established and proofed science .. so if you start about

unproofed stuff it will destroy this thread .. you''l spoill it for me .. is that what you want ? ... i guess not. 

 

So ... no 5G here please ... im shure you can find another place to discuss that ...thank You !  

 

 

 

 

Edited June 12, 2020 by Ron NL

[Jesterface23]

We all know everything, until we all know everything.

[Clothcap]

1. Ron, I consider myself admonished.

2. Re Solar activity and a possible connection with virus-outbreak.
   There are no harmful viruses. There is no such thing as a "virus outbreak". Cells produce exosomes in response to EMR damage. These are sold as a disease to create public receptivity to a vaccination.
   Perhaps a more accurate question would be "Do solar flares produce an immune response that is credited to a nonexistent third party virus?" As the planet's EMF is affected and the effects on electrical equipment can be severe, the human nervous system being electrical, I'd say there's a high probability, varying from person to person dependent on health. Looking at the EMR casualties credited to CV 19, healthy people are unaffected.
   Supporting my contention there is no harmful virus, it is up to the 'harmful virus' exponents to produce evidence it exists and there is none. Rare photos are of host cell produced exosomes, not invaders. There has been no experiment open to the public to prove contagiousness since 1933. The tests used in the 1933 experiment failed. The modified bat exosome has to be artificially introduced into us. It is inert. It doesn't spread.
   Arthur Firstenberg' research established that it was common knowledge in the medical arena that 'flu' outbreaks coincided with peaks in solar activity on an 11 year cycle. We are experiencing a solar minimum yet have a 'seasonal flu'. A non solar EMR source is needed.
   So, the answer to your original question can be yes and no. If you agree with well know virus cure expert, Bill Gates that host cell response to EMR is a viral disease then yes. Otherwise no.

   Exosomes? https://web.archive.org/web/20200424232747/https://www.infusio.org/TREATMENTS/EXOSOME-THERAPY/
   Summary of Arthur's book:
   https://5g-emf.com/arthur-firstenberg-the-hidden-dangers-of-wireless-cell-phone-radiation/
   
   Thanks for letting my comment through, btw.

   For Christopher.
   Bathed in 5G? SpaceX now licensed to deploy 1 million of what Musk calls "UFOs on a stick."
   https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/03/spacex-gets-fcc-license-for-1-million-satellite-broadband-user-terminals/
   'Flu' outbreaks are centred on areas of extensive telecom broadcom upgrades and expansion. I expect you could ramble around Google and find that out for yourself. Crediting non EMR (CV19) fatalities (road kills etc.) to a non existent virus (CV19) has been highly profitable for many medical centres. Cynicism is healthy, when applied justifiably. 🙃 If you wish to take issue, is there a more suitable venue? This one is about solar flares > viruses.

[Christopher S.]

16 hours ago, Clothcap said:

Bathed in 5G? SpaceX now licensed to deploy 1 million of what Musk calls "UFOs on a stick."
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/03/spacex-gets-fcc-license-for-1-million-satellite-broadband-user-terminals/
'Flu' outbreaks are centred on areas of extensive telecom broadcom upgrades and expansion. I expect you could ramble around Google and find that out for yourself. Crediting non EMR (CV19) fatalities (road kills etc.) to a non existent virus (CV19) has been highly profitable for many medical centres. Cynicism is healthy, when applied justifiably. 🙃 If you wish to take issue, is there a more suitable venue? This one is about solar flares > viruses.

I'm well aware of SpaceX's mission, however, the point still stands that there isn't any correlation as the mission has not matured yet.

As for "a more suitable venue" yes, another thread. This is unrelated to the current topic.